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owners that have done a few bare metal total restorations understand what it takes to do it right. It's difficult to work with a lot of rust.
You have 2 separate issues there Bob.... And 3 implications

1. Refurbishment of a mostly solid/straight car... Straight forward and easier.

2. Rebuilding a rusty/ bent car... Lots of hours, lots of money lots of headaches ... But if the car is of historic or emotional significance the path that is taken.. rebuilding a car properly.

3. Rebody... The easy path with a difficult car .. one where finance or ease of end result dictates direction... However the shady part of this comes when the rebuilder then moves the VIN across from the scrapped car. The only reason to do this step is to hide what has been done.
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I don't think it will be presented as a "re-bodied or replica". It has its own website saying it's the true car. Somebody will be tricked. It didn't do too good at Goodwood 2014, among the thirties beaten by many in same class.
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I don't think it will be presented as a "re-bodied or replica". It has its own website saying it's the true car. Somebody will be tricked. It didn't do too good at Goodwood 2014, among the thirties beaten by many in same class.

Jan, no doubt it will not be accurately represented, I still think it would be a very fun car.

As for its competitiveness, it would be very hard for an alpine to run competitively. against its period peers these days given the development and bespoke parts available for BMC, standard and ford powered cars... You might not be in the lead pack but you'd be having fun.
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I think it is time for the old car community to say a car has been rebuilt and let it go at that. Having owned a rusty Alpine, I cannot see much difference between a car that has been rebodied and one that has had entire panels replaced. Anyway you cut it, the original car is not there.

I'm getting to the point that I have a hard time accepting as original a car that has undergone a high buck repaint. Yes, it looks like a million bucks, setting there with perfect panel gaps, flawless paint over a perfectly prepped body and incredible chrome, but is it original? I think not.

It really is a hoot, the owner of a highly modified driver taking an extreme purest viewpoint. But that is the reason Invasion XVI had generic awards. Best Dash, Best Air Cleaner, Best Gear Shifter, etc. We went so far as to leave the definition of "Best" up to the individual. Best could mean most original, most creative, or maybe, you just liked it. We almost had "Biggest Paint Chip" but decided the winner might not appreciate that distinction.

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Bill, i can understand your point, and there is a cross over point at when a car has had so many parts replaced that it's hard to determine what's left...

But that's missing the point of difference with a rebody with an existing car with 50+ years history.. .. that car ( B ) has its history has its identity.. someone is then adding another cats vin (A) and claiming it has always been car A ... That's deception.

It's like you getting a heart transplant and then asking for the donors drivers licence and saying his wife and kids have always been yours ... In reality you'd still be Bill but with another heart.
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Michael, using your analogy about identity and heart transplants, isn't the identity of a Harrington the part that is NOT Alpine? So replacing the Alpine parts (which I think is the issue) should not be an issue.

But maybe I misunderstand the situation.

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There are some that always find fault with a restoration or with something being sold. Their favorite expression seems to be "BUYER BEWARE" . Their opinions must be over looked because no one except the minority with the same opinions as them seem to listen. There are buyers that don't even know these people exist so these doomsayers are wasting their time. These buyers have money to spend and if they decide to buy an item they buy it.
I would say Bill hit the nail on the head. The Harrington parts are what separates them from just being an Alpine. The LeMans is the best example.

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Michael, using your analogy about identity and heart transplants, isn't the identity of a Harrington the part that is NOT Alpine? So replacing the Alpine parts (which I think is the issue) should not be an issue.

But maybe I misunderstand the situation.

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Yes slight misunderstanding, the issue is really the "car" yes the Harrington top was an addition in period , a factory approved conversion and you could debate the issues of if tgos car is now a Harrington or a replica Harrington as thid roof was added to a car in the recent past not done at the Harrington works on this specific car. ( yes that's a whole other issue that the car is not the one converted by Harrington but using parts of one that rusted away.. that's been done several times and to tigers too but another debate)

In this case the larger issue is the car is another alpine that the top has been added to.. and the issue being the claim that it's the original car that raced in period at Sebring and elsewhere whereas the car is actually another alpine with another history that has them had a Harrington roof and vin added from the original Sebring car then assumed the Sebring cars identity and history.

Like I said I love the car.. and prefer it as it is now closer to the original Sebring car, but the fact is the car is a replica of the original race car using some of the original cars parts.
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There are some that always find fault with a restoration or with something being sold. Their favorite expression seems to be "BUYER BEWARE" . Their opinions must be over looked because no one except the minority with the same opinions as them seem to listen. There are buyers that don't even know these people exist so these doomsayers are wasting their time. These buyers have money to spend and if they decide to buy an item they buy it.
I would say Bill hit the nail on the head. The Harrington parts are what separates them from just being an Alpine. The LeMans is the best example.
No surprise in your opinion Bob.. and those who are happy to decieve especially for profit will always muddy the waters. Luckily you don't own cars of significance, and likely never would as you have no interest in linage and history...hence why you don't get it.
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Bill,

I have a good analogy for you...

You built your dura-pine it's been developed over many years, you've taken it to many events , done tours and taken people for rides in it competed in auto-x in it... And iirc you painted it in your garage one summer?

Now heven forbid someone came along and wrote it off and the body was scrapped but you saved the engine seats. Then you bought another series V but an early one with round trunk... Installed you old engine in, fabricated new mounts etc as per the original and painted it again... Then went to the wrecked car, took its vin and sal tags off and placed them on your newly completed car....

Is that still the car you built originally? Is it still the car you attended all the invasions in and gave people rides in... Or is it another alpine that someone else owned and drove for 45+ years then you added bits that survived from the durapine to replicate your lost car? ( Btw I know you'd use it as a chance to upgrade further .. but that's beside the point . )
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